並前往https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/%E6%8B%9C%E7%99%BB%E6%91%AF%E5%8F%8B%E8%A8%AA%E5%8F%B0-%E9%87%8D%E8%A6%81%E4%BF%A1%E8%99%9F-%E5%8A%A0%E5%BC%B7%E6%8C%BA%E5%8F%B0%E5%8A%9B%E9%81%93-%E4%B8%AD%E5%9C%8B%E8%B7%B3%E8%85%B3-%E5%8F%B0%E7%81%A3%E5%90%91%E5%89%8D%E8%A1%8C-2021-04-14-%E4%B8%8A/id1550687907?i=1000517079446