並前往https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-4-%E7%B4%AF%E7%A9%8D%E9%81%8E%E5%BE%80%E7%B6%93%E9%A9%97%E8%BC%83%E8%83%BD%E5%84%AA%E5%8C%96%E5%89%B5%E4%BD%9C%E8%80%85-v-s-%E5%BB%A3%E5%91%8A%E5%95%86%E4%B9%8B%E9%96%93%E7%BD%AE%E5%85%A5%E8%B2%BB%E7%94%A8%E8%AB%87%E5%88%A4%E9%81%8E%E7%A8%8B/id1536256221?i=1000503590676