並前往https://poddtoppen.se/podcast/1481974304/%E9%98%BF%E5%96%84%E5%B8%AB%E9%91%91%E8%AD%98%E5%AF%A6%E9%8C%84/ep59%E5%A5%B3%E5%AD%B8%E7%94%9F%E5%88%B0%E8%BB%8D%E5%8F%B2%E9%A4%A8%E6%9F%A5%E8%B3%87%E6%96%99%E5%8D%BB%E4%B8%80%E5%8E%BB%E4%B8%8D%E5%9B%9E-%E5%85%87%E6%89%8B%E7%9C%9F%E7%9A%84%E5%8F%AA%E6%9C%89%E4%B8%80%E4%BA%BA